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 Post subject: Quebec's Maple Spring - Government prepares to crush protest
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:52 am 
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Quebec is in the grips of some pretty interesting unrest which has grabbed international attention.

From The Guardian - May 2
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/may/02/quebec-student-protest-canada
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The social unrest roiling Quebec is colour-coded red. One cannot miss the hundreds of thousands of people with cloth of the colour pinned to their coats and satchels; the stickers pasted on street poles and storefront mannequins; and the sheets fluttering from balconies and windows. The red squares – punning visually on a French expression to be squarely in the red, or in debt – are a gesture of solidarity with university and college students on a massive general strike against government tuition fee hikes.

They have also become a symbol of the most powerful challenge to neoliberalism on the continent.

Canadian students have been furiously mobilizing for a freeze on tuition fees since last spring, when the Liberal provincial government announced hikes of 75% over five years. A general strike launched this February shuttered most of the province's colleges and universities...

The government's response has been to wage a war on the students' right to collectively negotiate the conditions of their studies. It has mocked and vilified students in the corporate media; sought legal injunctions to dismantle picket lines and force teachers to class; and unleashed vicious police crackdowns and mass arrests against peaceful protesters as young as 15 and 16. Some students now wear red eye-patches after one was shot at close range by a flash-bang grenade and lost his vision.


From the Globe and Mail yesterday:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/quebec-gets-ready-to-play-hardball-with-student-protesters/article2434092/
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The Quebec government is preparing a new hard line to try to end a months-long student strike, signalling that a riot squad’s attempt to open a college Tuesday is only the start of the use of force to get students back to school.

Even as newly appointed Education Minister Michelle Courchesne sat down for fresh talks with student leaders Tuesday evening, Premier Jean Charest consulted caucus and Liberal riding association presidents to make sure he had full party support for a tougher stand.


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It will be interesting to see where this goes.
Quebec soccer mom's seem to be mostly on board... :snicker:

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 Post subject: Re: Quebec's Maple Spring - Government prepares to crush pro
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:57 am 
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That Guardian article is breathless, hand wringing and overwrought. Abandons sobriety and journalism and basically joins the minority of radical protestors in solidarity.

Sure, if you're an anarcho-lefty you'd cheer them, but doesn't say much for the Guardian's credibility, since they are clearly compromised.

The radical students hardly represent the majority of students, let alone the electorate. They are masked up and going around trying to intimidate the majority for trying to go to class and save their year.

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MONTREAL - Protesters, many of them wearing marks, are working their way through the hallways of a Montreal university, on the hunt for classes to disrupt.

The protesters are enforcing their declared strikes, and resent the fact that some students have used legal injunctions to return to school.

About 100 people - carrying a list of scheduled classes - marched through pavilions at the Universite du Quebec a Montreal.

They stormed into a contract-law class, began flicking on and off the lights, and repeatedly yelled, "Scab!" at the students seated inside.

Some even grabbed students by the arm, telling them to get out. One spray-painted a message on the wall of the classroom.

The teacher and students shouted at the protesters and told them to leave. But during a 10-minute standoff, most of the students left the classroom as did the teacher.

The protesters then worked their way toward another class.

None of the protesters were carrying weapons. They did, however, get into students' faces, shouting at them, and shoving their books.

The student unrest has lasted 14 weeks. Only one-third of Quebec students are actually on declared strikes, but the conflict has created considerable social disorder.

Today's events are notable - in that they are actually taking place inside classrooms.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Quebec ... z1v3Sv5282




I think Charest could actually get himself reelected, by taking a hard stance here. If he caves in, he's pretty much finished. His base is not in the street, and those in the street weren't going to vote for him anyways.

The Anarcho-Leftists are grossly exaggerating their support, of course, so I doubt we're looking at an October Crisis Redux, but would it fire up Harper's base in English Canada to pull a Trudeau? Yes, I think it probably would, and it would force the NDP to choose between either siding with Canada and order, or siding with Quebec and anarchists in the street, which is problematic, to say the least, for a supposed "Canadian federal government in waiting".

As for Soccer Moms, I think you will find that they side with security and order for their little dearies and keeping their little dearies out of trouble, above radical protests in the street, every time. Even in Quebec. In fact, I'm thinking most parents are getting worried and they are getting pissed off at the Che Guevara wannabe's, who have hi-jacked the agenda and certain professors who are egging them on.

The masked radicals and their handler professors have painted themselves into a corner.

Another Jump the Shark fail for the Anarcho-Lefties in three... two... one...

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 Post subject: Re: Quebec's Maple Spring - Government prepares to crush pro
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:31 am 
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Well everything from the left is burgeois hand wringing to you Smitty so I take your critique with more than a grain of salt.

From the Globe and Mail - April 28
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/world-takes-notice-as-quebecs-student-protesters-march-on/article2416860/print/
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In the past few days, Quebec's student protests have received coverage in France, through Agence France-Presse, TV5 and a front-page photo in Le Monde. They also appeared in Australia, New Zealand, on Al-Jazeera and in the United States, including on CNN.

A New York Times blog suggested tuition fees and student debt could become a key theme in President Barack Obama's bid for re-election as the president tries to energize young voters. The “French-Canadian students” were cited as an example in the tuition debate, as part of an international outcry against the high price of education.

The annual tuition for a private university in the U.S. is over $30,000 a year, with collective student debt poised to reach $1-trillion — which is even more than all the credit-card debt in that country. So why should Quebecers be complaining about a comparably measly $1,625 hike?

Protesters say it's because they want their education system to move in the other direction — away from the U.S. model and closer to a system like Sweden's, where post-secondary education is free.


Sure not everyone in QUebec supports the protests...

But the striking students are taking big risks in taking this stand... and many see them as the underdogs taking a courageous stand.

I don't think Charest will win a lot of popular support by cracking student heads.

The negative international attention he could receive may also work against him.

Like I said... interesting.
Wasn't expecting Smitty to start wearing a red square though. Red is way too commie for Smitty.

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 Post subject: Re: Quebec's Maple Spring - Government prepares to crush pro
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DrYouth wrote:
Wasn't expecting Smitty to start wearing a red square though. Red is way too commie for Smitty.
You mean "A red tory yes, but a tory nonetheless" Smitty? :snicker:

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 Post subject: Re: Quebec's Maple Spring - Government prepares to crush pro
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The Red Patch is already taken... it's the formation patch of the 1st Canadian Division.

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The fact remains, the tuition increases are to pay for the entrenched academic class and if it doesn't come out of the tuition increases, it comes out of the landowners/taxpayer's wallets and Alberta, and that is where the rubber meets the road. "Quebec Spring"? Advantage Harper. Nuff said.

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 Post subject: Re: Quebec's Maple Spring - Government prepares to crush pro
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Smitty-48 wrote:
Quebec Spring? Advantage Harper. Nuff said.
Definitely got to side with Smitty's analysis on this one.

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 Post subject: Re: Quebec's Maple Spring - Government prepares to crush pro
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"Quebec is to the rest of Canada, as Greece is to Germany". Pretty easy sell for the Harpercons. Go ahead NDP, put your necks in the noose...

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 Post subject: Re: Quebec's Maple Spring - Government prepares to crush pro
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The only province that shouldn't be listened to is Alberta. Quebec is the most forward thinking of all the provinces and it should be listened to. This demonstrates the rising cost tuition in the country that needs to be stopped. What Harper needs to do is start subsidizing tuition in all provinces.


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 Post subject: Re: Quebec's Maple Spring - Government prepares to crush pro
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Quebec is a basket case. Lefties propping themselves up on Quebec is a guaranteed win for the Harpercons. If somebody wants to live in Quebec, that's their option. Imposing Quebec on the rest of Canada is a non starter.

Red Tory, or no Red Tory, even I'd vote for Harper if they want to try that, so good luck.

It is the government subsidies, in the form of loaning everybody and anybody money to go to university, that are causing the unchecked price inflation in the first place. It's just making Universities into very expensive high schools. Can't be an elite learning institution, if everybody goes there, regardless of merit, paid for by the government.

You already make way more money as a plumber, than you do as a Lefty Wefty with a Masters Degree in women's studies and underwater basket weaving.

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Pol Pot would agree.
Fuck education.
Force those useless academics to evacuate to the countryside and live among the farmers and plumbers and salt of the earth types; you know, the real people.

If a few million die and the rivers clog with corpses, well, that's just the price of bringing down those hoity-toity academics who think they're so great.

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Well, maybe the hysterical "Pol Pot!!!" card has some cache in the land of the nonsense peddlers to the south, but in Canada, that is called "overplaying your hand", which tends to be followed by "jumping the shark".

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 Post subject: Re: Quebec's Maple Spring - Government prepares to crush pro
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I wouldn't expect plumbers to know who Pol Pot was.
Nor would I expect them to develop anything to benefit mankind, or come up with any scientific breakthroughs to advance humanity.
You can train a bear to ride a unicycle, you can train a man to work on water pipes.

But this worship of 'salt of the earth' folks paired with a hatred of educated people smacks heavily of the Khmer Rouge, and it's no surprise that they were able to accomplish what they did when even 21st Century Canadians are mouthing their beliefs.
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We have modern day Khmer Rofgue here in America too, they listen to Limbaugh, decry 'liberals', and seethe hatred toward those 'cloistered academics in their Ivory Towers'.

Because, you know, science and medicine suck . . . we should all be pig farmers.

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Yeah... not so black and white in Canada, as it is in the USA, as far as the Culture War goes.

There's a middle ground (it's called Ontario) that tends to ignore the hysterical partisans on both ends of the nonsense spectrum and chooses a third way... which is "we decide who the government is and imposing Quebecistan is a non starter and the west is pumping out the cash, so we got a new girlfriend now, and her name is Alberta".


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 Post subject: Re: Quebec's Maple Spring - Government prepares to crush pro
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Smitty and Capps don't speak for all Canadians...
They are typical Tory's though... which represent about 40% of Canadians

You know - cut corporate tax rates, wait for trickle down, social programs for window dressing, underfund education, exploit natural resources, minimal regulations, privatize, privatize, privatize...

Many Canadians, like Observer 92, are more socially minded.

Smitty thinks that's all hippie drip, intellectual, elitist, panty waist handwringing...

Capps can't understand anything non-Libertarian, radical free market and god forbid any regulations that might cramp the freedom of speech of his pet plutocrats.

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We need a new forum section for our north-of-the-border friends. We keep drawing more of them in.

Clearly, our mistake was in admitting the first one. One came in, and *pfffft* there goes the neighborhood.


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