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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:44 pm 
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I'm going to try and stop arguing with you Doc, I'm already bald, I'm out of hair to pull out.

I will however suggest watching,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTyjb0-TsxYGet about 2 minutes in, and then you can see some of what people in 70 or 80 lbs of armor can do. The jousting is real, just blunt lances, and of course, the foot combat is staged, but you can see the speed and maneuverability of the guys.



I am sorry. I don't mean to anger you. I love knights as well.

Doc, it takes a lot to anger me... frustrating me is a different story. I've already said that I agree with you for the most part on the peasant thing...but I think you may have an oversimplified idea of the groundwork that would need to be involved.

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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:48 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:50 pm 
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Dr. Strangelove wrote:

If I equip peasants with weapons to defeat armor and cavalry and then train them to use that, how exactly is that not converting peasants into an effective army? I never claimed they are better warriors. My claim is that there exists so many more of them and the tools to defeat knights are easily constructed. You build morale by starting small and giving them small victories to build confidence. Reward them with the loot they capture from your opponents. When they have issues over which you can control, reciprocate their loyalty.



Yes, except you are arguing the theoreticals. I am saying that there's a reason that this didn't happen... peasants against well equipped warriors just didn't work the way you assume they might. When you talk about training them as a militia, you are talking about taking them out of "peasant" status and turning them into warriors.



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^^^ That is exactly how feudalism was defeated in both Europe and Japan. Eventually you end up with some form of monarchy or empire.






Gotta disagree with you here Doc. Feudalism wasn't defeated from below, but from above. It was the kings who did not want the barons to keep doing anything they wanted to do that systematically knocked down castles and conquered areas (with their own Royal knights) that had been duchies and such. This was part of the history of the formation of modern states. None of the major powers of Europe exited the feudal era due to peasant uprisings or the "arming of the People" or anything like that. They gave way to the centralized authority of the kings and emperors (usually via violent means, and using the hereditary warrior classes to do so).

The closest thing I can think of to what you are talking about in Europe was what happened with the Swiss and the Italians...but, again, those were infantry forces...but not peasants. The history of places like England, France, Germany, etc. were all examples of royal consolidation over recalcitrant nobles...not the lower classes rising up and challenging the status quo. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:02 pm 
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Thought I would post a link to the testemonials to make all of you drool a bit more.

http://www.albion-swords.com/testimonials.htm

Albion really makes the most beautiful swords...and people rave about them. (Like I do here :lol: )


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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:27 pm 
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Yeah sure, but that is still bigger than this:

http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/alb ... astard.htm


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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:52 pm 
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Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Yeah sure, but that is still bigger than this:

http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/alb ... astard.htm


Actually, they are almost the same length exactly. But that is a wicked looking sword (and I have to say, you surprised me by posting it. I hadn't seen it...I don't usually look at the "squire" line)

Here's the higher-end "Next Generation" version of a sword like that:
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Wow...very dangerous (usually by the time you hit the 15th century the swordmaking has really reached its zenith in terms of how good the craft had become. They feel supercharged in your hands compared to the early medieval stuff)

Good find Doc...uber-sweet (and nasty...)

Here's a review of that sword...sounds like something to get (someday... :cry: )
http://www.myarmoury.com/review_alb_cast.html


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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:46 pm 
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What is different about the squire line swords to make them so much cheaper? It can't just be that they are unsharpened because they will sharpen them for $25.


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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:08 pm 
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Steel, materials, grip, and the work spent on decorative work. Also, probably not much time perfecting the blade profile and sharpness. To be honest, I probably wouldn't want a sharpened sword to play with. An actual sword could easily take an arm, leg, or life. That's just me though. I have seen custom knives that can easily take a hand. Now imagine a sword with the same time spent profiling and sharpening. With a good steel alloy as well.

From what I have read in history books, once a real sword connects with your unarmored body, it just sliced you like butter. You can see how simple one can do this with a modern bowie knife. Imagine what somebody can do to you with a sword (or you to yourself when pretending to be a knight).

I really wouldn't recommend many of you actually ordering a sharpened sword. I can think of too many ways that can go wrong for those of us not familiar with swords. You can always send it back to be worked on in the future. Get a good bowie knife, professionally sharpened, and you will see what I mean.


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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:42 am 
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e_room_matt wrote:
What is different about the squire line swords to make them so much cheaper? It can't just be that they are unsharpened because they will sharpen them for $25.


I think it is just the decorative stuff (I know it is the same steel and such as the higher end swords...they only have the one sort of steel that they use)


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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
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Camelot.


It's only a model.

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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:28 am 
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Dan wrote:
e_room_matt wrote:
What is different about the squire line swords to make them so much cheaper? It can't just be that they are unsharpened because they will sharpen them for $25.


I think it is just the decorative stuff (I know it is the same steel and such as the higher end swords...they only have the one sort of steel that they use)

Out of curiousity, what do you do with your sword? Is it displayed in your house? Boxed in your attic? Do you use it periodically for anything? If you had to do it over again, or added another to your collection, would you go with an unsharpened blade you could fiddle around with more casually or something more distinctive for display purposes?


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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
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Non-sharp sword? Somehow those words just don't make sense when you put them together.

Alright, I guess if you were a stage actor and wanted to choreograph a fight, fine, go with a dull sword... but if you have one in your house... I can't think of thinking a sword was complete if it wasn't sharp.

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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
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They really should have a scabbard too.

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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
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e_room_matt wrote:
Dan wrote:
e_room_matt wrote:
What is different about the squire line swords to make them so much cheaper? It can't just be that they are unsharpened because they will sharpen them for $25.


I think it is just the decorative stuff (I know it is the same steel and such as the higher end swords...they only have the one sort of steel that they use)

Out of curiousity, what do you do with your sword? Is it displayed in your house? Boxed in your attic? Do you use it periodically for anything? If you had to do it over again, or added another to your collection, would you go with an unsharpened blade you could fiddle around with more casually or something more distinctive for display purposes?


Oh no...they are sharp as hell. Dangerous as all get out. One is on my wall...the other is sitting in the box it arrived in on my office floor until I can hang it. Occasionally I take them out and cut down a few offending inanimate objects...just to keep their inner spirits assuaged.


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 Post subject: Re: Dan's Albion Sword Obsession
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Right, Dan...its the inner spirit of the sword thats being assuaged... I'm sure there is no inner vikingr trying to get out of you...

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