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 Post subject: Why politics is futile.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:44 am 
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My name is Montague William the III
And what I will tell you may well sound absurd
But the less who believe it, the better for me
For you see ... I'm in banking and big industry

For many a year we have controlled your lives
While you all just struggle and suffer and strive
We created the things that you don't really need
Your, your sports cars, and fashions, and plasma TV's

I remember it clearly how all this begun
Family secrets from father to son
Inherited knowledge that gives me the edge
While you peasants people lie sleeping at night in your beds

We control the money that controls your lives
Whilst you worship false idols and wouldn't think twice
About selling you souls for a place in the sun
These things that won't matter when your time is done

But as long as they're there to control the masses
I just sit back and consider my assets
Safe in the knowledge that I have it all
While you common people are losing your jobs

You see ... I just told you in utter contempt
But the smile on my face well it makes me exempt
For I have the weapon of global TV
Which gives us connection and invites empathy

You would really believe that we look out for you
While we bankers and brokers are only a few
But if you saw that you'd take back the power
Hence, daily terrors to make you all cower

The panics, the crashes, the wars, and the illness
That keep you from finding your spiritual wholeness
We rig the game, and we buy-out both sides
To keep you enslaved in your pitiful lives

So, go out and work as you body clock fades
And when it's all over a few years from the grave
You'll look back on all this and just then you'll see
That your life was nothing ... a mere fantasy

There are very few things that we don't now control
To have lawyers and police force was always a goal
Doing our bidding while you march on the street
But, they never realized that they're only just sheep

For real power resides in the hands of a few
You voted for parties, what more could you do?
But what you don't know is they're one and the same
Old Gordon has passed good Ole David the reins

And you'll follow the leader who was put there by you
But your blood it runs red while our blood runs blue
But you simply don't see it's all part of the game
Another distraction like money and fame

Get ready for wars in the name of the free
Vaccinations for illness that will never be
Assault on you children's impressionable minds
And a micro-chipped world you'll put-up no fight

Information suppression will keep you in toe
Depopulation of peasants was always our goal
But eugenics was not what we hoped it would be
Oh yes, it was us that funded NAZI's

But as long as we own all the media too
What's really happening does not concern you
So just go on watching your plasma TV
And the world will be run by the one's you can't see

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 Post subject: Re: Why politics is futile.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:54 am 
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"Spiritual wholeness", "souls", "false idols"....strange words and phrases to be quoted with approval by such a hardcore atheist as yourself.

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 Post subject: Re: Why politics is futile.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:59 am 
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Inquizitr wrote:
And the world will be run by the one's you can't see
20/20 vision won't visualize..... you can't see me.

This fox is just way too stealthy. My ability to hide inside of television sets is quite handy.
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 Post subject: Re: Why politics is futile.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:48 am 
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"Spiritual wholeness", "souls", "false idols"....strange words and phrases to be quoted with approval by such a hardcore atheist as yourself.

That's part of the distraction the ruling class use to occupy you while they enslave you.
Religion, sports, politics, are all used to keep the commoners sated. As long as your party is in power, your sports team is winning and your "God" is in his temple, the rich and powerful are safe in their luxuries. In fact, religion is all about justifying the positions of the powerful. "Powers that be are ordained" and all that crap. The most successful monarchies were the ones who aligned themselves with the Church, and bankers have never gone against them, except for more profit. Many Protestant faiths preach the doctrine of success, that God wants you to be rich, and he wants you to not envy the even richer. It even says so in the Ten Commandments.
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"Religion is considered by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful" Seneca
"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet" Napoleon Bonaparte

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 Post subject: Re: Why politics is futile.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:55 am 
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That's part of the distraction the ruling class use to occupy you while they enslave you.
Religion, sports, politics, are all used to keep the commoners sated. As long as your party is in power, your sports team is winning and your "God" is in his temple, the rich and powerful are safe in their luxuries. In fact, religion is all about justifying the positions of the powerful. "Powers that be are ordained" and all that crap. The most successful monarchies were the ones who aligned themselves with the Church, and bankers have never gone against them, except for more profit. Many Protestant faiths preach the doctrine of success, that God wants you to be rich, and he wants you to not envy the even richer. It even says so in the Ten Commandments.

If that's true, then why does the poem mock people for selling their "souls"? The implication is that people have souls that they should not sell for money. Obviously you don't believe that, so why the approval for the poem?

As a mutated monkey whose brain and body is adapted for pleasure and survival, why do you care about these issues anyway? If you have your food, sex, and shelter, what difference do justice and equality make?

Even in this corrupt world with the rich "controlling" my life through sports/politics/religion, I have all the food, shelter, and other life essentials that any living organisms requires. If you don't, maybe you ought to stop worrying about politics and player-hating and instead master "the game".

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 Post subject: Re: Why politics is futile.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:48 pm 
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boethius wrote:
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That's part of the distraction the ruling class use to occupy you while they enslave you.
Religion, sports, politics, are all used to keep the commoners sated. As long as your party is in power, your sports team is winning and your "God" is in his temple, the rich and powerful are safe in their luxuries. In fact, religion is all about justifying the positions of the powerful. "Powers that be are ordained" and all that crap. The most successful monarchies were the ones who aligned themselves with the Church, and bankers have never gone against them, except for more profit. Many Protestant faiths preach the doctrine of success, that God wants you to be rich, and he wants you to not envy the even richer. It even says so in the Ten Commandments.

If that's true, then why does the poem mock people for selling their "souls"? The implication is that people have souls that they should not sell for money. Obviously you don't believe that, so why the approval for the poem?

As a mutated monkey whose brain and body is adapted for pleasure and survival, why do you care about these issues anyway? If you have your food, sex, and shelter, what difference do justice and equality make?

Even in this corrupt world with the rich "controlling" my life through sports/politics/religion, I have all the food, shelter, and other life essentials that any living organisms requires. If you don't, maybe you ought to stop worrying about politics and player-hating and instead master "the game".

The "soul" they are selling is their personal freedom. They have accepted the trinkets of modern life, while the super-rich weild power from behind the scenes. Governments eat away at their wages slowly through inflationary policies, which enrich the wealthy bankers. Sure we have enough to eat, most of us anyway. And most have shelter. But that is the point. As long as we have those things, we don't care that the rich skim a little off of each individual to enrich themselves. Or promote wars that kill our children.
If "the game" is so great, the next time we start a major war, go invest in missles. I am sure you will sleep well on your pile of money.

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 Post subject: Re: Why politics is futile.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:51 pm 
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Inquizitr wrote:
The "soul" they are selling is their personal freedom. They have accepted the trinkets of modern life, while the super-rich weild power from behind the scenes. Governments eat away at their wages slowly through inflationary policies, which enrich the wealthy bankers. Sure we have enough to eat, most of us anyway. And most have shelter. But that is the point. As long as we have those things, we don't care that the rich skim a little off of each individual to enrich themselves. Or promote wars that kill our children.
If "the game" is so great, the next time we start a major war, go invest in missles. I sure you will sleep well on your pile of money.


Isn't that the point of freedom...the ability to choose power, integrity, comfort, trinkets, or any other variation of life? You can say they have made poor choices by allowing others power over their circumstances, but if you really do exalt freedom, can you really and truly say that what they have done is wrong?

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 Post subject: Re: Why politics is futile.
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Taliesin wrote:
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The "soul" they are selling is their personal freedom. They have accepted the trinkets of modern life, while the super-rich weild power from behind the scenes. Governments eat away at their wages slowly through inflationary policies, which enrich the wealthy bankers. Sure we have enough to eat, most of us anyway. And most have shelter. But that is the point. As long as we have those things, we don't care that the rich skim a little off of each individual to enrich themselves. Or promote wars that kill our children.
If "the game" is so great, the next time we start a major war, go invest in missles. I sure you will sleep well on your pile of money.


Isn't that the point of freedom...the ability to choose power, integrity, comfort, trinkets, or any other variation of life? You can say they have made poor choices by allowing others power over their circumstances, but if you really do exalt freedom, can you really and truly say that what they have done is wrong?

No, as long as you do it with full knowledge. People sell themselves into slavery everyday. That isn't the point. The point is that people believe they have a choice. That they are choosing their leaders and that it makes a difference, when it does not.

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 Post subject: Re: Why politics is futile.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:13 pm 
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No, as long as you do it with full knowledge. People sell themselves into slavery everyday. That isn't the point. The point is that people believe they have a choice. That they are choosing their leaders and that it makes a difference, when it does not.


Well, they are choosing their leaders. People do vote. It's their problem if they don't bother to pay attention, or let themselves be persuaded by crappy advertising. I'd call that full knowledge. It's their decision to participate (or not) in the political process, to get involved with one of the parties, to stand for local election, etc. etc. etc. Laziness is a choice too.

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 Post subject: Re: Why politics is futile.
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Well, they are choosing their leaders. People do vote. It's their problem if they don't bother to pay attention, or let themselves be persuaded by crappy advertising. I'd call that full knowledge. It's their decision to participate (or not) in the political process, to get involved with one of the parties, to stand for local election, etc. etc. etc. Laziness is a choice too.


Which leaders are selected is irrelevant, as both sides are bribed by the same bankers and industrialists. If you stand against the power, you are soon marginalized, or used as a patsy to forward their agenda. If people realized that, do you think they would bother voting at all?
Laziness may also be a result of knowing how futile politics is. You can't fight city hall, so why bother.

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 Post subject: Re: Why politics is futile.
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No, as long as you do it with full knowledge. People sell themselves into slavery everyday.
You are not allowed to sell yourself into slavery. It is illegal to surrender your constitutional rights even if you wanted to.

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No, as long as you do it with full knowledge. People sell themselves into slavery everyday.
You are not allowed to sell yourself into slavery. It is illegal to surrender your constitutional rights even if you wanted to.

Slavery is not unconstitutional. As punishment for crime, it is near universal in the US. All need be done is criminalize an innocuous behavior, instant slaves. But I guess I was speaking more metaphorically, as selling your self to a company which you do not really wish to work for because you need the money to survive. Or staying at a job you hate because leaving would put you at risk of starvation or death from exposure.
What if you were a genuine (but well treated) slave, but escaping would mean death by starvation, would you run or stay. It is the choice we have. Should we stand up against the incremental degradations of these bankers and industrialists with their government cronies assisstance, or rise against them and possibly perish. So far we have decided to lie down and let them have their way with us.

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Which leaders are selected is irrelevant, as both sides are bribed by the same bankers and industrialists. If you stand against the power, you are soon marginalized, or used as a patsy to forward their agenda. If people realized that, do you think they would bother voting at all?
Laziness may also be a result of knowing how futile politics is. You can't fight city hall, so why bother.


What are the bribes going for? Advertisement. Advertisement is only effective if individuals are convinced by them. Individuals are only convinced by the insipid offerings if they know nothing about politics and policy, and are too lazy to perform the most rudimentary fact-checking. You don't give people enough credit. Jacksonianism, progressivism, populism, and the Tea Party never happened, eh?

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What if you were a genuine (but well treated) slave, but escaping would mean death by starvation, would you run or stay. It is the choice we have. If we stand up against the incremental degradations of these bankers and industrialists with their government cronies assisstance, or rise against them and possibly perish. So far we have decided to lie down and let them have their way with us.
Actually escaping wouldn't mean starvation that's just what the bankers and industrialists who control us want us to think. That way we always need them as managers of the slaves to keep society functioning because otherwise we would parish governing ourselves.

A convenient excuse for an oligarchy trying to cling to power. :suspicious:

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 Post subject: Re: Why politics is futile.
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But I guess I was speaking more metaphorically, as selling your self to a company which you do not really wish to work for because you need the money to survive. Or staying at a job you hate because leaving would put you at risk of starvation or death from exposure.
What if you were a genuine (but well treated) slave, but escaping would mean death by starvation, would you run or stay. It is the choice we have. Should we stand up against the incremental degradations of these bankers and industrialists with their government cronies assisstance, or rise against them and possibly perish. So far we have decided to lie down and let them have their way with us.


What are you upset about, exactly? That amoral people will exploit the political system to corner an increasing portion of the national wealth for themselves? Of course they will, that's what the survival of the fittest is all about, the Hobbesian struggle of nature, red in tooth and claw--nasty, brutish and short.

Except, thanks to modern technology and civilization, it's not that nasty (compare sitting in cubicle doing TPS reports to slaving away digging ditches and building pyramids), not nearly as brutish, and not as short.

You are a moralist at heart and are doing the atheism thing wrong. Not that I will criticize you for that....

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